Comments on: Rediscovering the Pal-Item forums, without the trolls http://www.chrishardie.com/blog/2007/05/rediscovering-the-pal-item-forums-without-the-trolls.html Personal Blog for James Christopher Hardie Wed, 07 Jan 2009 19:38:46 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.1 By: Chris Hardie's Weblog http://www.chrishardie.com/blog/2007/05/rediscovering-the-pal-item-forums-without-the-trolls.html#comment-35387 Chris Hardie's Weblog Sun, 22 Jul 2007 02:47:44 +0000 http://www.chrishardie.com/weblog/archives/2007/05/rediscovering-the-pal-item-forums-without-the-trolls.html#comment-35387 <strong>The haters are writing in, what are you doing?</strong> There's some real vitriol out there in "letter to the editor" land, especially here in Richmond. In the Palladium-Item, we like to play the game "How Many People Can You Insult in 300 Words or Less?" sometimes also known as "The Wheel of Not So ... The haters are writing in, what are you doing?

There's some real vitriol out there in "letter to the editor" land, especially here in Richmond. In the Palladium-Item, we like to play the game "How Many People Can You Insult in 300 Words or Less?" sometimes also known as "The Wheel of Not So ...

]]> By: Jim Pollitt http://www.chrishardie.com/blog/2007/05/rediscovering-the-pal-item-forums-without-the-trolls.html#comment-24931 Jim Pollitt Wed, 23 May 2007 16:32:20 +0000 http://www.chrishardie.com/weblog/archives/2007/05/rediscovering-the-pal-item-forums-without-the-trolls.html#comment-24931 Are people upset about being censored, or not being able to complain about Richmond? Are people upset about being censored, or not being able to complain about Richmond?

]]> By: etbnc http://www.chrishardie.com/blog/2007/05/rediscovering-the-pal-item-forums-without-the-trolls.html#comment-23304 etbnc Wed, 09 May 2007 11:57:32 +0000 http://www.chrishardie.com/weblog/archives/2007/05/rediscovering-the-pal-item-forums-without-the-trolls.html#comment-23304 Oy. It seems to me that any conversation, online or off, works best when the participants have similar expectations for the experience and similar conversation behaviors. Encountering a participant whose behaviors and apparent expectations differ markedly can make the experience rather bumpy and unproductive. For a social species, sometimes I find it sad and remarkable how few of its members demonstrate fundamental skills of social interaction. Thanks for the script hint. Cheers Oy.

It seems to me that any conversation, online or off, works best when the participants have similar expectations for the experience and similar conversation behaviors. Encountering a participant whose behaviors and apparent expectations differ markedly can make the experience rather bumpy and unproductive. For a social species, sometimes I find it sad and remarkable how few of its members demonstrate fundamental skills of social interaction.

Thanks for the script hint.

Cheers

]]> By: Nick http://www.chrishardie.com/blog/2007/05/rediscovering-the-pal-item-forums-without-the-trolls.html#comment-23151 Nick Tue, 08 May 2007 19:57:54 +0000 http://www.chrishardie.com/weblog/archives/2007/05/rediscovering-the-pal-item-forums-without-the-trolls.html#comment-23151 Lets talk about the example you used in your presentation. How is the comment you high lighted 'trolling'? It appears simply that someone asked the question why come back to Richmond. Yet you see fit to show it as "trolling" Lets talk about the example you used in your presentation.
How is the comment you high lighted 'trolling'?
It appears simply that someone asked the question why come back to Richmond.
Yet you see fit to show it as "trolling"

]]> By: Chris http://www.chrishardie.com/blog/2007/05/rediscovering-the-pal-item-forums-without-the-trolls.html#comment-23073 Chris Tue, 08 May 2007 12:32:04 +0000 http://www.chrishardie.com/weblog/archives/2007/05/rediscovering-the-pal-item-forums-without-the-trolls.html#comment-23073 Nick: sometimes it's not about whether or not I agree with what someone thinks, sometimes it's just about whether or not they've presented it in a way that's useful to me. It's possible for people to present viewpoints that are valid and/or that I might agree with, but to do so in a way that is completely unhelpful or even harmful to the spirit of true dialogue. I'm a very open-minded person and I have a high tolerance for viewpoints I don't agree with, and even for viewpoints I do agree with that are presented in unhelpful ways. But from my perspective, if someone does that on a regular basis in this kind of setting, it's trolling, and I don't have an interest in reading it or engaging it. That's the nice thing about the technique I demonstrated - it lets each individual define what they do and don't want to block out, and so no one has to define trolling or "inappropriate comments" in a way that applies globally to all forum users. So I don't need to show you an example of trolling, because it's really up to you to define it for yourself. Now, if the Pal-Item and its forum users decided that they really wanted to participate authentically in a community, there would have to be some common definitions, but that doesn't seem to be in the cards right now. Chris Nick: sometimes it's not about whether or not I agree with what someone thinks, sometimes it's just about whether or not they've presented it in a way that's useful to me. It's possible for people to present viewpoints that are valid and/or that I might agree with, but to do so in a way that is completely unhelpful or even harmful to the spirit of true dialogue.

I'm a very open-minded person and I have a high tolerance for viewpoints I don't agree with, and even for viewpoints I do agree with that are presented in unhelpful ways. But from my perspective, if someone does that on a regular basis in this kind of setting, it's trolling, and I don't have an interest in reading it or engaging it.

That's the nice thing about the technique I demonstrated - it lets each individual define what they do and don't want to block out, and so no one has to define trolling or "inappropriate comments" in a way that applies globally to all forum users. So I don't need to show you an example of trolling, because it's really up to you to define it for yourself. Now, if the Pal-Item and its forum users decided that they really wanted to participate authentically in a community, there would have to be some common definitions, but that doesn't seem to be in the cards right now.

Chris

]]> By: Nick http://www.chrishardie.com/blog/2007/05/rediscovering-the-pal-item-forums-without-the-trolls.html#comment-23047 Nick Tue, 08 May 2007 10:13:17 +0000 http://www.chrishardie.com/weblog/archives/2007/05/rediscovering-the-pal-item-forums-without-the-trolls.html#comment-23047 Chris, So when someone disagrees with what someone else has to say it becomes trolling. Well I guess that puts a different outlook on what you have to say. I thought that forums were about discussion and dialogue. Please show me one clear example of trolling from the PI during this infestation. The example you used seems no more than someone voicing an opinion about Richmond. So to get this correct someone voices an opinion other than your it is trolling. SHOW ME AN EXAMPLE OF TROLLING FROM THE PI FORUM. Chris,
So when someone disagrees with what someone else has to say it becomes trolling. Well I guess that puts a different outlook on what you have to say.
I thought that forums were about discussion and dialogue.

Please show me one clear example of trolling from the PI during this infestation.

The example you used seems no more than someone voicing an opinion about Richmond. So to get this correct someone voices an opinion other than your it is trolling.

SHOW ME AN EXAMPLE OF TROLLING FROM THE PI FORUM.

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